I will not comply! Back when I ordered my M203, chalk rounds were about $5 shipped. The logic they use to support their move (presented in a letter here and here) is that because the 40mm rounds in question are not “small arms” ammunition, the ATF can classify them as “low explosives” having no explosive properties whatsoever. From what I read in the link, it sounds like that court case could actually provide the precedent to void this reclassification. I sure hope the ATF never finds out about potato guns. Since when did the Second Amendment declare a “size” for the “arms” that we have a right to bear? There’s no telling who will be the next target of the President’s impotent rage against law-abiding citizens. You’re in Kelven Crenshaw’s department aren’t you? You think wrong. If USCG is DHS, and BATFE is DOJ and the Attorney General is the less senior cabinet official, does that mean BATFE can go suck eggs on this one? If MWraps became a thing near me, I would go out of my way to eat lunch there. This is an important consideration since ammo specs can vary widely. Our Price: $22.95. I designed the tip of the round not the launcher,i left a link in the thingiverse of who made the launcher https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4057559 603. Exactly. 4. Check. That’s the difference. This base and projectiles are only safe to fire out of the Exotic Firearms Nemesis SL, or the X-Products X37 37MM launchers. More arbitrary legislation by regulatory fiat. A food fight might just be fun. If you live near Michigan (Guy wishing he was) God, they are constructing a new large bridge on I75 near the Chrysler building. People use them for fun, primarily- same reason people buy flashy cars and other stuff you don't really need. Anything!”. Note that some rounds can only be sold to Law Enforcement personnel. the House needs to defund the batf….NOW…..imho. D, E and even F class engines are not expensive and you could build some interesting things that go boom with them. Plus, muzzleloaders and Antiques are categorized as “non-weapons” by the ATF. And their ruling could soon be expanded to include all ammunition bigger than 1/2 inch in diameter . I don’t think I should have laughed at MWraps. CTS (Combined Tactical Systems) - 40MM Multiple Projectile Munitions. Qty Add to Cart. I remember there was a you tube vid making the rounds of a good old boy firing a 1.0 cal. Time for the new head of BATFE to be called before Congress and publicly spanked again. Thanks Obama, for keeping the markets for firearms and related items crackin like chains of red “Lady Fingers” on the 4th of July. Should this stick I expect no shortage of stories about how the Obama administration worked against the gun lobby to keep explosives and incendiaries out of the hands of criminals. This article needs to be corrected. Would it stir things up if you fired potatoes in your flare gun?? A flare or chalk round technically isn't munitions. CTS (Combined Tactical Systems) - 40MM Outdoor Projectiles. When I think I cannot distrust the feds more than I already do, I see something like this. http://www.xproducts.com/ar-15-soda-can-launcher-accessories-launcher. ... flashbomb, chalk rounds, paint marker, etc. The 37mm and 40mm launchers … And fireworks in general, all mortar class A now illegal? Not if it was a home grown potato…or at least 20% of it. Is there anywhere that will actually work through the NFA process to sell them to civilians? Nevermind that these are freaking chalk, not ammunition of any kind. USCG flares for offshore passage are 26 mm aerial flares. I think the biker thing was all local cops. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_rocket_motor_classification#Governmental_regulation. The latest targets are types of projectiles which can be fired from 40mm grenade launchers, specifically parachute flares and chalk practice rounds. Type "A" uses the top of the egg and Type "B" uses the bottom. CTS (Combined Tactical Systems) - 40MM Outdoor Multi-3 Cartridge. Better turn in your soda cans gentlemen, or stock up while you can before they are pulled from shelves. . You must register to use the waitlist feature. 40mm chalk practice rounds. Are these legal to sell? Chalk rounds used to be pretty popular but due to recent ATF regulations, they were deemed as explosive (specifically the complete M781 chalk round). Our Price: $32.90. Nope, never. I know court is expensive but I’d love to see (and have some hope) that some federal Judge might nip this in the butt before it gets more common. The Sig pistol brace was designed for disabled people to allow them to continue to shoot even if suffering muscular problems and so on. This is also, of course, applicable to any ammunition with a diameter larger than 1/2 inch. . da dum tsssh! I’m far too lazy to go look for the TTAG article on it, but it was earlier this year in Oklahoma I believe. Signature Delivery for Shipment. Our Price: $24.20. Look out. Has the effect of a maximum barrel length, overall length, weight, ammunition capacity (e.g. A hollow plastic ogive is filled with a high visibility yellow-orange dye. All your guns will be lost before rescue. © COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. But it’s a fixed cartridge, not a muzzle loader. are common, and there are plenty of antiques of .57, .65, and even .75 cal floating around, plus reproductions in the same calibers. USCG required 12 gauge flares in my boat. Chalk? ATF should be disbanded. Individual 40MM M781 Chalk Rounds. at this point, they really should know better, but its always funny to watch. I hereby volunteer my time to support the effort – how many of you are ready to do the same – and what organization is worthy of our support to accomplish this critically-necessary feat? It shoots 400 smoke flareazine launchers per second and holds 100 high-capacity assault chalks. I call dibs on the surplused Bradley. The ATF violating federal laws may embolden other agencies to do the same. Below is a sampling of the ammunition that is available for 37mm launchers. Not to mention how a single 40mm charge is a DD, but not a jar of Hodgdon's with some primers on the shelf . Are these guys out of their freaking minds? Can you bring me another wheelbarrow with the Bradley? Misleading headline is misleading. Everything I can find says that the chalk rounds are not part of this, and actually the whole kerfuffle is about stolen items, not what is or is not legal: . …because there have been so many incidents recently of mass violence committed with 40 mm flares and chalk rounds, they just had to take action. ATF Re-Classifies Certain Flares and 40mm Chalk Rounds as Explosives, Begins Confiscation, changed their collective mind on the pistol stabilizing brace, ban M855 ammunition by branding it as “armor piercing.”, http://thetruthaboutguns.com/author/foghorn/, The Truth About: Hollow Point Bullets [Video], Washington Bill Would Make Open Carry In Groups A Felony If Someone is ‘Alarmed’, A History of Gun Regulations in the U.S. (Infographic), http://www.guns.com/2015/02/11/8-year-old-boy-dies-after-man-shoots-tannerite-rigged-stove-4-charged-video/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_rocket_motor_classification#Governmental_regulation. Tannerite, watch out. This is also, of course, applicable to any ammunition with a diameter larger than 1/2 inch. This was a total pain in the ass. Most of this other stuff where there’s random and arbitrary (re)classification is the areas where the text is unclear or doesn’t cover it at all. Here is the article: http://www.guns.com/2015/02/11/8-year-old-boy-dies-after-man-shoots-tannerite-rigged-stove-4-charged-video/. Where does BATFE say 40mm chalk rounds (aka M781) are a problem? You know Russian VOG-25 style grenades are muzzle-loading. First they arbitrarily and capriciously changed their collective mind on the pistol stabilizing brace. SKU: 00040-200. And always remember those ever-present ‘weasel words’ throughout those same firearms laws: “sporting purposes:” words not found in the Constitution or Bill of Rights. If they are looking at 40mm flares 37mm is not far behind. Sorry for the wiki link, it was the only one I could find quickly, not a whole lot of stuff online from that era. Must report! . 40MM practice round. Hmm, what about muzzle loader projectiles bigger than 50 cal? The latest targets are types of projectiles which can be fired from 40mm grenade launchers, specifically parachute flares and chalk practice rounds. 25rd box. But feel free to look out for that piece of falling sky. But, damn, they look cool when they go ‘boom’, don’t they? Do some agencies violate federal civil rights laws? You might end up with some tasty french fry’s. The US is on this wild march toward tyranny, and bluntly, it is scaring the crap out of me. Those who would trade liberty for “safety” deserve neither. Ain’t gonna happen, and Ms. Clinton is going to continue the trend of taking ammo away from crazies that shouldn’t have firearms in the first place. Also now someone came up with a 4 shot .410 hive round. M “projectile” is DEFINITELY well in excess of .50 in diameter. We have got to stop this ridiculousness. Good thing it's not called the Bill of Needs... M855 ammo really helps keep prices down in both the civilian paper-punching realm and the military helmet puncturing. Reviews There are no reviews yet. CTS (Combined Tactical Systems) - 40MM Single Projectile Munition . ..I’m in the tracing center Gun Library. There’s no telling who will be the next target of the President’s impotent rage against law-abiding citizens. I walked out to the truck with him and watched him place the rounds in the explosive magazine in his truck. Oh now that was uncalled for! Don’t forget those WELL-over-.50-caliber cannons on those ocean-going ships the privateers owned and used against ol’ crazy King George’s Royal Navy….. . I cheer whenever I hear about one of them dying. Reloading 40mm Chalk Rounds. *smirk* I doubt that meets the diameter requirements. I could have sworn I’ve visited this blog before but after looking While not DD, a FEL is still required to purchase or possess 40mm ammo, even for chalk practice rounds. Before Obama, 40mm chalk rounds were readily available for $5 per round without any special permits or licenses in PA. We are a 07/02 FFL/SOT., been that way for years. Modern Arms for all your machine gun needs.www.AZECE.com Custom Harley parts. As long as its a registered potato, grown in or before May 1986, you should be fine. Its time to push back on this agency until they are irrelevant to our lives. Bravo. Check out my website at www.AmericanSpecialtyAmmo.com I don’t think BATFE is man enough to take on 12 gauge shotgun slug hunters! 40mm Gel Rounds from Defense Technology. I have no idea what the answers to that are. It merely stated “arms”, which covered handheld weapons and artillery. Potato gun. THANKS! They don’t. Let me see…. This beehive / hornet’s nest contraption seems like it would be great for practice, not to mention cheaper to … “Blackboards” are racist, we use whiteboards now…oh, wait. So, the BAFTE want to reclassify 12-gauge slugs and marine flares as explosives! The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. The chalk projectiles Type "A" and "B" are designed to work with the smaller plastic Easter egg shells like the ones found in the party section of Walmart with silly putty in them. 40mm chalk rounds and smoke rounds are readily available, but it’s the destructive ammo for them is hard to find, and VERY expensive. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. 40mm rounds - le/dept sales only. It appears that in a bid to add some teeth to the effort to recover 40mm M992 Infra-Red Flares stolen from the military and in the hands of innocent retail customers, the ATF very strictly reinterpreted the “Illumination Device” exemption for things that would otherwise be classified as explosives and require an FEL, storage bunker, etc. If they make all 40mm projectiles illegal then civilians have no legal use for the 40mm launchers. Oh, and the suppressed SBRs, I’ll have a couple of those. Individual 40MM M781 Chalk Rounds. Well, he did say that one of his biggest disappointments was not getting common sense gun laws passed. 40mm buckshot, 40mm beehive, 12ga shothun shell adapterWE HAVE MERCH!! Fair is fair. I would assume so if you had the 40mm launcher since they don't explode. 0 ( or almost 0 ) 75each 40mm chalk rounds are n't considered small arms '',... 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